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3.0 beta and r.a.d.controls? and other things.

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  1. UI Crew
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    23 Oct 2006
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    Hi,

    You use to be able to add the r.a.d.controls eg. menu and panelbar rotator etc. to pages (and templates) but you can seem to except for the editor? Am I missing something?

    Also the standard general content edit doesn't have the drop down to apply heading 1, 2 etc. I know you can edit the editor toolbox config file to include this but since 3.0 is so aimed at support CSS I would have thought that the default editor should have that?

    Also you only seem to be able to navigate the site via the treeview when in the admin pages section unlike previous versions where you could navigate through the site via the sites own nav to find the page you want to edit. Is that right or is that just a limitation of the beta. As a web manager for a large orgainsation I have found that non-tech uses find it significantly easier to find a page to edit via the sites own nav as opposed to a treeview structure (however I find the treeview great). I hope that both options will be available to our users. Don't get me wrong I love the treeview on the left rather than having to open the "manage pages" window in previous versions - I just hope the users wil have both options.

    Hey am I just having halicinations or is version 3 significantly faster than 2.7? One of the issues I have had with 2.7 is that it sometimes seems to be slow to serve pages but at this stage 3.0 seems to rocket along. Good work! I hope this is the new speed we will enjoy.

    Thanks

    Seth
      
  2. Bob
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    25 Oct 2006
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    Hi Seth,

    r.a.d.controls will be available in beta 2. Actually, you can use some of them in the current version too but we still have problems with the design time. Data source controls are not working yet either.

    In beta 2 it will be possible to upload controls directly form the user interface. Currently controls can be added to the toolbox manually by editing the Web.config file.

    Here is an example:

    <cms defaultProvider="NolicsCmsProvider" allowPageHistory="true" allowPageWorkflow="true">

                      <providers>

                            <clear/>

                            <add name="NolicsCmsProvider" connectionStringName="DefaultNolicsConnection" type="Telerik.Cms.NolicsCmsProvider, Telerik.Cms"/>

                      </providers>

                      <toolboxControls>

                            <clear/>

                            <add name="GenericContent" section="CMS" type="Telerik.Cms.Web.UI.GenericContent, Telerik.Cms" overrideToolboxItem="False"/>

                            <add name="Literal" section="ASP.Net" type="System.Web.UI.WebControls.Literal, System.Web, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b03f5f7f11d50a3a" description="Reserves a location on the Web page to display static text."/>

                            <add name="TestAscx" section="User Controls" url="~/TestControls/ReqUrl.ascx" description="User Contorl (.ascx file) test."/>

                      </toolboxControls>

                </cms>

     

     

    The r.a.d.editor in the Generic Content control will be fully configurable for beta 2 release. Beta 2 will also contain page template management.

     

    About navigation in edit mode there has been a debate whether we should keep it. Most likely we will add this functionality in a later update.


    Greetings,
    Bob
    the telerik team
  3. UI Crew
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    Hi,

    Thanks for the reply. If I can put my two cents in th debate about navigation in edit mode (eg. should you be able to navigate pages via the tree view AND the page naviagtion itself) my opinion would be a very strong yes.

    I work as the principal web co-ordinator for quite a large organisation in Australia with around 50 CMS user contributing to 10 large sites. Our current CMS installation uses the tree navigation only in its UI. It is the biggest headache of my woring existenance because so many employees who are just not IT minded find it extremely difficult to understand/translate the web site structure in the treeview. Although I find it easy, 80% of my users just can't seem to consistently find the page they are looking for in the tree viewso that they can edit content... they can find it on the site but just can't find deep pages in the treeview. I have huge amounts of calls to assist people find pages each week.

    This was a great strength of 2.x non technical users could navigate to the page or they could get a url from someone and log in and find it.

    Be extremely careful when considering to chop this functionality... it might just make or break a great experience for the less experienced users.

    I love the new layout though - tops!

    Thanks,

    Seth
  4. Sean
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    25 Oct 2006
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    Hi,

    Sorry to add my 2 cents also to the debate.  I can see what Seth is saying about people not being able to find the pages.   Surely the compromise would be to offer a better way of people being able to find pages, maybe a simple search system so people can search by the Menu Text or Page Title or something, or maybe by the keywords, or if possible the content?  Or a way of people being able to put in the address of the page they are looking for and that being translated to find the page in the treeview for them?

    Just some suggestions, I am mostly happy with the way it works but I can see some of my clients not coping... but maybe we should be going with Darwin's theory of survival of the fittest :)
  5. bnye
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    25 Oct 2006
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    I was agree with Seth on the menus, but what I did notice is that the more I use the new CMS the more I like it. I tried to use 2.7 after being in 3.0 for an hour, and immediately saw the benefits of the overall structure of 3.0. I find it much easier now.

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  6. UI Crew
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    Hi,

    I am enjoying 3 too... don't get me wrong I just think that if it was possible for people to navigate either with the treeview or the sites own nav then I think it would be worth the extra effort.

    Cheers,

    Seth
  7. Rebecca
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    Hi all,

    First, I would like to thank you on behalf of the whole team for your positive feedback about your experience with version 3.0. After discussions we have now come to the firm decision to immediately take this issue to the next level. So you will enjoy your navigation in edit mode pretty soon, with beta 2.

    Greetings,
    Rebecca
    the Sitefinity team
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