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  1. fregas baratis
    fregas baratis avatar
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    23 Dec 2006
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    Hi, just have a few questions.  Forgive me if these have already been answered.

    In the final release of Sitefinity 3, will you have the ability to set module specific security at the page and sub page level?  For example, I may have a page called News, that has several pages under it: Press Releases, New Products and Events.  All three of these pages might use the news module.  Will I be able to select who can add/edit news items on the Press Release section seperate from the Events section?  In my experience, users do not want to set security at the module level for the whole site.  They don't really care about modules...its all just content to them.  Instead they want to set security at the page (and potentially any child pages.)  This is one thing Sitefinity 2.7 seemed to have and i really appreciated it.

    Another thing, lets say you add a module such as Blogs or News.  You can then edit that module on the page and set which blog or which news category should display in that instance of the module on that page.  This is very easy and straight forward, however after you select the blog or category, it shows its ID, which appears to be a GUID.  It should really show the title of the blog or news category, or maybe both the title and the ID.

    On the admin, the navigation has a series of links to get around the admin pages: Dashboard, Pages, Modules, Files, etc.  Then when you click on of those such as Pages, the sub-nav comes up, such as Site Map and Templates.  I think it would be faster and easier to get around if  you use the RadTree here just like the front end.  This way, there isn't two page loads every time you switch sections.  It just seems to make sense since we all use the RadTree for the public/client websites we're creating.  Again, I apologize if this has already been requested.

    On the templates.  I am SO GLAD you are using master pages in this version, and i appreciate the upload facility.  Frankly. creating templates/layouts in Sitefinity 2.7 was a huge pain and a waste of time.  This is more of a nice to have then a necessity, but when uploading related files for templates, its a pain to uplaod them one by one.  I understand that Html is pretty restrictive in that you can't upload a whole folder at a time (you can only select one file in an input type="file" field).  You may want to have the option to upload a zip file and extract it where you want.  This would go for the file manager as well as the module uploads.  Obviously there are security implications to this.

    Well, thats it for now.  Again, great job guys.  I appreciate the programmers and managers courage and insight to start over on Sitefinity 3.0 with a new approach and new code base. 

    -Craig
  2. Hrisi
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    28 Dec 2006
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    Hi fregas,

    Please, find below the answers to your questions:

    Q. In the final release of Sitefinity 3, will you have the ability to set module specific security at the page and sub page level?  For example, I may have a page called News, that has several pages under it: Press Releases, New Products and Events.  All three of these pages might use the news module.  Will I be able to select who can add/edit news items on the Press Release section separate from the Events section?  In my experience, users do not want to set security at the module level for the whole site.  They don't really care about modules...its all just content to them.  Instead they want to set security at the page (and potentially any child pages.)  This is one thing Sitefinity 2.7 seemed to have and i really appreciated it.
    A. At page level we have two kinds of permissions - for the page as whole and for the generic content of the page (not implemented as of beta3). Of course we have permissions for modules also.

    Q. Another thing, lets say you add a module such as Blogs or News.  You can then edit that module on the page and set which blog or which news category should display in that instance of the module on that page.  This is very easy and straight forward, however after you select the blog or category, it shows its ID, which appears to be a GUID.  It should really show the title of the blog or news category, or maybe both the title and the ID.

    A. For now, property editing of controls placed on the page is done trough a common property editor. If you would prefer to not use the generic editor for the ID property, you should implement a custom editor for that property of the user control. The Blogs and News user controls don't have such editors, but such are in our plans.

    Q. On the admin, the navigation has a series of links to get around the admin pages: Dashboard, Pages, Modules, Files, etc.  Then when you click on of those such as Pages, the sub-nav comes up, such as Site Map and Templates.  I think it would be faster and easier to get around if  you use the RadTree here just like the front end.  This way, there isn't two page loads every time you switch sections.  It just seems to make sense since we all use the RadTree for the public/client website we're creating.  Again, I apologize if this has already been requested.
    A. This is by design. The left hand side is reserved for frequently used operations such as treeview/panelbar item selection in different forms, while the top navigation is used more like a two level horizontal menu for logical grouping of operations. Of course, this is not the last design and any fresh ideas will be taken into account.

    Q. On the templates.  I am SO GLAD you are using master pages in this version, and i appreciate the upload facility.  Frankly. creating templates/layouts in Sitefinity 2.7 was a huge pain and a waste of time.  This is more of a nice to have then a necessity, but when uploading related files for templates, its a pain to upload them one by one.  I understand that Html is pretty restrictive in that you can't upload a whole folder at a time (you can only select one file in an input type="file" field).  You may want to have the option to upload a zip file and extract it where you want.  This would go for the file manager as well as the module uploads.  Obviously there are security implications to this.
    A. Deployment of (or part of) web applications on a remote server is always a pain. Our plan is to ease this process as much as possible. The File Manager is planed to be extended with some nice features - remote editing of text files (.css, .aspx, .master, …), zip upload and unpacking ... We also want to extend the Project Manager with synchronization capabilities between the local and remote web application. Unfortunately these things are with low priority for upcoming Sitefinity 3.0 release, but will appear in one of the subsequent releases.

    Do not hesitate to share any other thoughts you may have.

    Happy New Year!
     

    All the best,
    Hrisi
    the telerik team
  3. fregas baratis
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    28 Dec 2006
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    On the navigation, i meant to say that the top nav should probably be a RadMenu, not a RadTree control, just like the nav in most sites built using sitefinity.  This is just a suggestion, and doesn't seem like it would be very difficult.

    I still think setting a GUID in the property editor is likely to be very confusing to most users.  I understand that you made this generic, but it seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to look up the title. But i'm glad that custom modules will have more flexibility.

    Thanks for listening.
  4. Bogdana Ivanova
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    29 Dec 2006
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    Hi fregas,

    Once again, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with us.

    Few months ago we started developing the new version of Sitefinity with the idea that we need to improve its usability and remove all limitations of the old user interface. Because of that we created a few prototypes and tested them among several user groups. The type of navigation we chose is the current one, because our tests showed that it is the most convenient and handy for most users. Of course we knew that we cannot please everybody but we were sure that  we chose the most acceptable interface and navigation.

    On the other hand, our policy is to take under consideration every feedback received by our customers and I would like to assure you that we will discuss your suggestions about the navigation and setting a GUID in the property editor with our User Experience team.

    We wish you a successful New Year!
     

    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  5. UI Crew
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    24 Sep 2012
    29 Dec 2006
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    Hi,

    fregas' comments are all good however I find the nav quite good in v3 and I actually think it will be a lot better for clients.

    Cheers,

    Seth
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