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Feedback on Sitefinity 3.0 alpha

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  1. Telerik Admin
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    The aim of this forum thread is to provide all registered users a way to give feedback on Sitefinity version 3.0 alpha.

    Your thoughts will help us tremendously in shaping up a product that will appeal not only to the developer but to the large enterprise end user

    The Sitefinity team would like to thank you in advance for your involvement and sharing you opinion with us.

    The Sitefinity team
  2. Daniel Plomp
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    So how can I test the Alpha version of v.3?

    Daniel
  3. Rebecca
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    Hello Daniel,

    We have added you to our mailing list and you will be notified when the alpha version is available for testing. Thanks for your involvement.

    All the best,
    Rebecca
    the telerik team
  4. Sean
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    Hi,

    I have only just installed and got sitefinity 3.0 working.  I had a couple of issues to start with due to the fact that the application above the sitefinity virtual directory was a sitefinity 2.7 application and the web.config inheritance was causing conflicts, but a quick google solved that problem.

    Now that it is up and running it looks very promising, but what I would like to know is what sort of feedback do you want from us at this stage, would you like bugs to be reported, or just feedback on the use of the product etc or both?

    Regards
    Sean
  5. Rebecca
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    Hello Sean,

    Thank you for the kind words. We will look further into the Web.config inheritance problem.

    We are very glad that you are asking about the kind of feedback we request. Bugs and issues like the one you just reported are certainly things that we'd like to know of. This way we can immediately start correcting all glitches and erroneous product behavior as well as continue polishing the documentation. Also:
    • How easy was the installation and initial setup?
    • What was your first impression?
    • How intuitive was the page navigation?
    • Do you see any inconsistencies in the UI, logic or across the various modules?
    • How easy is it to manage Sitefinity users, handle files, publish pages, etc.
    • How usable are the controls?
    • Have you detected any performance lags?
    • Anything and everything that you feel you'd like to draw our attention to such as behavior or design nuisances or things that should be particularly well described in the documentation taking into account the amount of time you spend figuring out how things work.
    Thank you in advance for sharing your experiences with Sitefinity 3.0 alpha.

    Kind regards,
    Rebecca
    the telerik team
  6. Richard Baugh
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    We have been involved with Sitefinity before it ever became Sitefinity and through the years it has only gotten better with every release. Version 3 is no different. The potential this has looks very promising.

    Here are some of the questions we have about version 3.0.

    File Manager Control: We like that this has been added to the application as this eliminates the need to have to jump to another application to manage the files for the site. The problem we see is the lack of permissions. We would like the ability to assign permissions to the control in order to limit access to the files. This could cause many headaches as clients could easily take down the site with an accidental click. Maybe another approach to just limiting access to the control would be the ability to assign certain areas within the file structure that certain roles/users could access. This would help in keeping someone from removing or changing a file that is critical to the site.

    Templates: We really like the change from using tables to div tags. This should really help in the performance and design capabilities of a site. However, on previous versions of Sitefinity, you could create templates on the fly. Is this possible in version 3? Also, how will we define control areas within the master pages?

    Workflow Process: How will the workflow process work? Does the workflow API allow for better integration with third-party modules?

    Third-Party Modules: Is there any documentation on integrating third-party modules within Sitefinity? We have built many modules to fit into the previous versions of Sitefinity and are very interested in extending these modules to fit within the new version of Sitefinity.

    Page Permissions: In the previous versions of Sitefinity, you could assign users or groups to individual pages or at the root page level so that all pages would inherit the permissions. Will this feature be added? Also, are there still CMS users and Public users?

    We understand that this is just the alpha release for version 3 and that there are many features missing in this release. We are hoping that the beta release will have all features available so that we can have a better understanding of how the application will function and also how we can adapt our controls into the application.

  7. Bogdana Ivanova
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    Hello Richard,

    Thank you very much for the thorough feedback. I will answer your questions in the order you asked them.

    1. File manager: You are right about permissions. This part of Sitefinity 3.0 is very important and users who will work there must know what to do. The access to this module will be limited by permissions and you will be able to see this feature added in the beta version of Sitefinity 3.0.

    2.  Sitefinity 3.0 will allow users to create/edit templates. This functionality will be implemented very soon. Note that the user cannot change the structure of the template (merge/split placeholders). If you need to do this, you have to edit the master page itself. You can define control areas within the master pages by adding standard Content Place Holders. This can be done in Visual Studio.

    3. Workflow will be added to Sitefinity. This feature is planned for the beta version. Workflow API will allow  better integration with third-party modules. In addition, we might say that when Windows Workflow Foundation is shipped officially, we will adopt it in Sitefinity 3.0.

    4. We planned to develop documentation on integrating third-party modules within Sitefinity. The new architecture of Sitefinity 3.0 allows to add standard ASP.NET controls. There is no need to inherit any classes or implement interfaces. Please, have this in mind when you start adding your modules to the new Sitefinity.

    5. Sitefinity 3.0 uses the standard Membership Services from .NET 2.0. There are no CMS users and Public users any more. Now there are only CMS users assigned to different roles. Then, you can grant/deny permissions to a role, and every user in that role inherits the permissions you have assigned. Roles are therefore an efficient way to manage permissions for groups of users.
    Yes, we are planning to add page permissions to Sitefinity 3.0. This feature will be available in the beta version.

    I hope now you have all the information you need. In case you come up with some more questions, please, do not hesitate to contact us.

    Regards,
    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  8. Sean
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    Hi after having thoroughly gone through the alpha version I have found a few issues and had ideas for things you can change/add. Whatever you take onboard would be excellent but I understand it does have to fit in to your plans for the system as well as be possible.

    Firstly to answer the info you wanted:

    • How easy was the installation and initial setup?
      • The setup was easy enough but as someone already stated it will be better once the Project Manager is set up.
    • What was your first impression?
      • My first impression about the system is the it is much more intuitive than it ever was in the past. I think that the new control box is going to make everything a lot easier to manage in terms of versions of control. I think the new system gives much more flexibility than we ever had before in terms of just setting up content regions and the users being able to add controls without having to alter the layout. I have found this to be a major flaw with the previous systems and I am happy it is sorted out.
      • I like the polls that is a great new addition to the modules.
    • How intuitive was the page navigation?
      • The page Navigation again seems intuitive making it easier to find what you are looking for. I think the clients will find this much easier to get to things, it will certainly be better than having to flip back and forth between edit and control panel.
    • Help
      • I think the help files are good so far, I especially like the definitions section at the beginning which will be good for users to understand what some of the things us Techy people try and say.

    Most of the other things, other people have covered in other posts.

    Now on to the bugs/feature requests, in no particular order other than when I thought of them or found them.

    1. On Pages -> Edit Page -> Properties -> General Properties

    a. Optional friendly URLs

    i. There is no option to remove URLs without cancelling.

    b. Advanced:

    i. Add Head Tags doesn’t do anything.

    2. Modules -> News ->

    a. Filters Panel is approx 10 pixels tall, this is in IE7

    3. Login screen – New User Registration, is it not very secure as most hackers would try to enter through /admin for any CMS site. Or is there going to be some sort of approval process first where Admin would get notified of new user registrations?

    4. I noticed that if I registered a New User then logged in I could immediately assign myself that admin role without actually having admin role.

    5. Is it possible to have an option to add items in menu structure that that don’t include pages, e.g Home -> Services -> Product, where Services isn’t a page but just a way of having menu items grouped under it.

    6. In IE 7 the sub menu doesn’t render properly. It overlays the content in the page.

    7. The Logout button doesn’t log out

    8. When editing a page it would be better if you could change the order of controls once on the page, because sometimes you will have an existing page that you have created that you may want to add an additional control before the existing control/content. Or if you want to move and existing control around you can’t

    9. For a 3rd Party Control that is created would it be possible for the DefaultValue designerAttribute to work on properties as this would be very useful for certain controls to have default already set when a control is dropped onto a page.

    10. Maybe consider on the Edit page having a Save button at the top and at the bottom. So you don’t have to scroll down to find it.

    11. In Polls if you Add a new Question there is no way of removing it. The same goes for Add a new Answer Field

    12. New user I added a new link then tried to edit some news I get a big error message, not a pretty message that is all, I understand it is just trying to tell me that I don’t have permission to edit, but it just not user friendly.

    13. How is the permissions going to work with respect to content editing? Before you could give people permission to just edit content, will there be a way of allowing people to modify certain controls then, because I could
    forsee that being very handy.

    Of course this is only an Alpha version but it is already looking very, very promising I am looking forward to seeing the beta release. Keep up the good work. If anything I have said is unclear or you can’t replicate please let me know.

    Kind Regards
    Sean

  9. Bogdana Ivanova
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    Hi Sean,

    It is nice to hear from you again. Thanks a lot for comprehensive feedback about the new Sitefinity user interface and your bug report.

    First of all, I would like to reassure you that we planned to add Project Manager to Sitefinity 3.0. This is a very important and handy module and we do not want to remove it from our CMS. You will be able to see the Project Manager added to the official release of Sitefinity 3.0.
    At this stage the security system of Sitefinity does not work as you would expect it. I mean that all users have administration permissions and you cannot show/hide some part of the application. The reason is that we have not implemented the check for user permissions yet. This functionality will be ready for the beta version. Also we will add workflow, so you can use permissions for editing content process.
    Currently we are working on improving the Page and Controls management process. You will be able to see these changes in beta version and all problems reported by you will not occur in Sitefinity 3.0.

    I am listing below the explanation of some of the issues reported by you:

    1. Advanced - Add Head Tags doesn’t do anything - this feature will be available with the beta version;
    2. Optional friendly URLs - there is no option to remove URLs without canceling - you may remove the URLs by unchecking the option;
    3. In Polls if you Add a new Question there is no way of removing it. The same goes for Add a new Answer Field - if you do not fill the field, it will be remove automatically;
    4. Filters Panel is approx 10 pixels tall, this is in IE7 and In IE 7 the sub menu doesn’t render properly. It overlays the content in the page
    5. Maybe consider on the Edit page having a Save button at the top and at the bottom. So you don’t have to scroll down to find it;

    The last 4 issues have already been reported to our User Experience team.

    6. For a 3rd Party Control that is created would it be possible for the DefaultValue designerAttribute to work on properties as this would be very useful for certain controls to have default already set when a control is dropped onto a page - will be add to SItefinity 3.0;

    I hope this information will help you make a conclusion about our progress and plans for the near feature. Feel free to send us more thoughts and ideas about Sitefinity 3.0.


    Best wishes,
    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  10. John S.
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    Hello,

    A quick note regarding my first impression with Sitefinity 3. Aside from all my questions and concerns I am impressed with the direction, layout, and features so far.

    John
  11. Bogdana Ivanova
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    Hi John,

    Nice to hear from you again. Thank you for sending us your thoughts and impressions on Sitefinity 3.0. I am very excited to know that you are happy with our progress and direction.

    Thanks again for the nice words. We will expect your further feedback and suggestions.


    All the best,
    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  12. UI Crew
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    Hi guys,

    Here is my feedback on the alpha release for you. I hope it helps:

    How easy was the installation and initial setup?
    Given that this was an alpha relase setup was fine. Workd straight away with no issues.
     
    What was your first impression?
    At first I had to say I was a bit shocked that it was a totally new layout. I actually have found that previous versions have been really quite easy to use personally and have always found Sitefinity to be really powerful. As I go into 3 though I really started to like this new layout and can understand why you moved to a different way of using the CMS. Love it. 

    How intuitive was the page navigation?
    I like the new combination of navigation by the site structure tree on the left while still being able to browse the staging site in the wysiwyg  format on the left. It is not a bad thing that you framed up the site in the Sitefinity UI although I can see that users will require a bigger screen than previously.

    I am Principal Web Manager for a large company in Australia with about 50 content editors and managers. One of the biggest issues we have with our current CMS is that you can't navigate the site to edit what you want. The majority of users can't look at a complicated site in a tree structure and find the page that they need to fix. So the combination of navigating site structure on the left or the actual web on the right will be a real winner I thing - well done. 

    I also the move away from dialog boxes to tabs to change page properties - love it.

    Do you see any inconsistencies in the UI, logic or across the various modules?
    No seems pretty consistent although I am a little concerned that we are going to loose a bit of flexibility in editing templates in the browser. It has always been great to be able to come up with a modified template really quickly in previous version and I hope we will be able to continue to set standard content items and regions via the new template editor which I believe is not in the alpha. Thumbs up though for supporting divs and CSS better.

    How easy is it to manage Sitefinity users, handle files, publish pages, etc.
    In another post in this thread you seemed to indicate that public users will go???? Did I hear right because the ability to create public users and password protect different pages and content in version 2 was a bit of a life saver for me - got down a lot of dev time. Are you saying that we will not have this functionality anymore or are you just saying that public users and cms users will be one and the same.
     
    How usable are the controls?
    No problems here. Althought with the generic content editor - great to see a cut down of the functions and the use of r.a.d.window here is good - HOWEVER I am hoping that the functions eg. what buttons are enabled is configuarable still and, very important if you are going for strong CSS support, make sure you have the "Heading 1", "Heading 2", drop down selector by default in the editor as well as setting it to use <p> on enter rather than <br> on enter. These didn't appear in the alpha version so please consider.
     
    Have you detected any performance lags?
    Nope seems fast.
     
    Anything and everything that you feel you'd like to draw our attention to such as behavior or design nuisances or things that should be particularly well described in the documentation taking into account the amount of time you spend figuring out how things work.

    Any plans for scheduled publishing ie. don't publish this until 2:00am?

    I would like to spend a bit more time evaluating if I can but these are my inital comments. Sorry if there is bad grammar - in a big hurry.

    Cheers,

    Seth
  13. Bogdana Ivanova
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    Hi Seth,

    Thank you for sending us your feedback on Sitefinity 3.0. Your opinion is worth much to us. 

    I would like to explain more about Sitefinity users in order to avoid misunderstanding on this issue.
    The CMS user and Public user are combined in Sitefinity 3.0 but the functionality of old the public user is not removed. You can achieve this by setting the necessary permissions. All Sitefinity users are assigned to role/s and you can grant/deny permissions to the role/s, and every user in that role inherits the permissions you have assigned. Roles are therefore an efficient way to manage permissions for groups of users.
    If you want to completely separate CMS users from Public users, you may create a second membership provider for this purpose that could be Active Directory Provider. In the near future we are planning to post a Knowledge Base article about this issue.

    Please, contact us if you come up with more questions.

    Kind regards,
    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  14. John S.
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    Hello,

    Just some quick notes regarding my experience.


    How easy was the installation and initial setup?

    • Pretty straight forward, the only problem I had was the '_Bak' extension in the 'Initial Catalog=Sitefinity_3_0_Bak' connection string

    What was your first impression?

    • My very first impression was a bit of disapointment because of the major difference in the new version instead of building on the the current interface. This very first impression was replaced within a half hour or so with an understanding of your direction and excitement of what lies ahead.

    How intuitive was the page navigation?

    • Much more intuative than 2.x

    Do you see any inconsistencies in the UI, logic or across the various modules?

    • No

    How easy is it to manage Sitefinity users, handle files, publish pages, etc.

    • Users seemed pretty straight forward.

    1. I would like to be able to change a password from the User module
    2. A confirmation before deleting a user would be nice
    3. After adding a user it may be nice to go back to the main user page (pressing the Users page button doesn't go back to the Users page while in add user mode)

    How usable are the controls?

    • I had problems with many of the user controls (see forum posts). While I VERY much like the drag and drop feature, the configuration pages were very generic and I was not able to use most of them (I probably could have played with setting to get most to work; however, that seemed too complicated). For instance the NewsPoll control did not have a direct setting to select a poll, etc. My guess is a lot of this is unfinished so my comments may not apply.

    Have you detected any performance lags?

    • No

    Anything and everything that you feel you'd like to draw our attention to such as behavior or design nuisances or things that should be particularly well described in the documentation taking into account the amount of time you spend figuring out how things work.

    • My biggest problem with this alpha release is that I was hoping to start on a new project that I could tweak in the betas and finally the finished version; however, I had too many problems and there were too many missing features to do this. I am not necessarily complaining, it just makes it hard to get a real feel for this stuff with actually using it on a project.

    Overall....I am excited that you guys may be putting more emphasis in the development of this product.

    Best regards,
    John

  15. Rebecca
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    Hello John,

    It's been really nice to hear your sincere comments about Sitefinity 3.0 alpha. Your suggestions for improving user management sound very reasonable and we will be discussing them at our next meeting. You are absolutely right about controls being somewhat cumbersome at this very early stage. A lot of effort is directed at this and we do hope the beta release will better fit your requirements and expectations.

    Once again, thank you very much for your feedback. It will definitely aid in bringing our product closer to perfection.

    Greetings,
    Rebecca
    the telerik team
  16. Bryan Maiden
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    please could I be added to the testing program for v3.0
  17. Vassil Petev
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    Hello Bryan,

    Sitefinity v3 beta will be available late next week. Just open a formal support ticket and we will provide you with the needed instructions.


    Kind regards,
    Rob
    the telerik team
  18. Paul Berger
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    • How easy was the installation and initial setup?
    Installation was a breeze.
    • What was your first impression?
    The speed of loading was alot faster than in previous versions. This is great it is a high priority for us. Version 2.7 is a bit slow. So great work there.
    • How intuitive was the page navigation?
    Having the tree on the left is very easy and Intuitive.
    • Do you see any inconsistencies in the UI, logic or across the various modules?
    No.

    • How easy is it to manage Sitefinity users, handle files, publish pages, etc.
    It would be good if you could specify directory rights for a CMS admin. Eg I only want the Marketing people to upload the imgs directory.
    • How usable are the controls?
    Getting exceptions.
    • Have you detected any performance lags?
    No
    • Anything and everything that you feel you'd like to draw our attention to such as behavior or design nuisances or things that should be particularly well described in the documentation taking into account the amount of time you spend figuring out how things work.
    Getting the beta release out ASAP is my main concern. I want to start developing modules now.
  19. Bogdana Ivanova
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    Hi Paul,

    Thank you very much for sending us your thoughts about the new version of Sitefinity. Your feedback is very useful for us. The issues in controls you report have already been fixed. Also, we set the user permissions and added some more new features and improvements. Unfortunately, we found some nasty problems and decided to postpone the release of the beta with one week. We re-sheduled it for Oct. 20th.

    Thank you very much for your patience.

    Greetings,
    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  20. bnye
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    I think you guys are getting too much rest. ;-)

    I kid.

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