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License confusion with developing

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  1. Grisha 'Greg' Karanikolov
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    Hi again,

    Thank you Markus, Phill and all for your comments. I would like to ask you to bare with me on this a bit further. I will try to illustrate the current logic behind the current licensing model and ask you to share your thoughts with me on this.

    The way I see it, if I am a developer working on my new project and wondering which CMS to use, I could use the trial of Sitefinity to see if it would fit my needs. I have 30 days for evaluation.

    If I need to create a proof of concept for a client, I could easily create a new project and use the community license for as many of projects as I need to and does not imply any time limitations.
    I wouldn't invest my time to create the whole project and get paid at the end - I would prepare a proof of concept so that my client would see that my solution is the right for him (without going into complex development without the client's commitment). I would create a template with a theme, maybe place some content, possible create a couple of custom widgets and illustrate the options that stand ahead. If the client agrees and hires me , I could move ahead and purchase a license (not with my own, but with the client's money), which I can plug into the project I've already started and have the remaining Sitefinity features unlocked.

    Do you see any flaws in this scenario? I would love to hear your comments on this. All the feedback we receive does get to the people that make decisions. The current licensing model actually was chosen based on a lengthy discussion in our forums, tickets and e-mails .


    Kind regards,
    Grisha 'Greg' Karanikolov
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  2. Markus
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    Dear Greg

    Yes there are some flaws

    a) Its not me testing the CMS its my clients
    b) what if you want to show how it works with two languages
    c) what if you want to show some workflow
    d) what if you want to invest the time to create a demo project for the client - Not the whole project just a demo.
       (SF can be a big part of selling your solution)

    Again its not me who has to make a decition. I know that SF is the way to go. But the clients must have an opertunity do decide (or I want to give him an opertunity) if SF is the right tool for them. And that's why sometimes I go the extra mile with setting up a small demo project with the future design so the client can play around and be supriesed how easy SF is to use.

    Imagin a car sales person who is selling BMW. You have 3,5,7 but in the showroom you have only the 3-er version and just tell the client that the 5 and 7 are very simmiliar but they are just bigger, stronger and faster.

    I am sure they want to testdrive the 5 or 7 if they want to buy. Again the sales person (developer) knows that the BMW 5 or BWM 7 is the right car but sometimes it is still nice if the client can at least look at the bigger cars or even test drive it. The sales person could have a proof of concept that BMW is a car that drives nicely by having the client test drive the 3 version.

    To me the only explenation why to limit a trial version is to have the client buy faster. Again I had projects where we were working on the site for 12 month before going online. So I understand Telerik on this matter. After all it's a lost revenue.

    Markus

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    The current licensing model actually was chosen based on a lengthy discussion in our forums, tickets and e-mails .

    I am not about to read the whole thread there but I would be supriesd to find any comment from a developer like

    1) I would like telerik to limit the SBE to 50 pages
    2) How about limiting the trial version to 30 days






  3. Le Corbu
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    Hi Greg

    ....If the client agrees and hires me , I could move ahead and purchase a license (not with my own, but with the client's money)..

    Maybe Telerik has the clients that pay immediately after hiring but in our cases they are paying after I've delivered something and I think they expect more than buying a license for them.

    Kind regards
    Udo
  4. Steve
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    Greg,
      Each day (let alone month) they have bought the license ticks away at the next renewal billing cycle.

  5. Richard Baugh
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    We actually have a client in which we started building out their site back in Oct of 2009. We are just now getting ready to launch the site. How is is right to force the client to purchase a license so we can develop the site and in a case like this, their license would have expired before the site was launched? Having the ability to build out the site and then purchase the license when it is ready to go live, seems to be the best option. During this period, having the "Trial" message show up is fine with us and our clients. They have not made that purchase yet and they understand it will go away when they purchase the license.

    I understand the option of building this out in the community edition, but if the client intends on using some of the features in the standard version, or features of another version, then that can't be completed till the license has been bought. So development of forms and such would have to be done after the license purchase which would then require more approval from the client and potential of even more stall time.
  6. Martin
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    Hi

    I don't know if this helps, but here goes....

    I'm a one-man band and I've purchased the Standard Licence for the $899

    Not started in earnest on 4.0 for development yet but my domain is www.protean.org.uk

    My intention is to develop customer proofs using sub-domains of my own domain (protean.org.uk)

    For example:
    http://client1.protean.org.uk
    http://client2.protean.org.uk

    Unless I'm missing something multiple sub-domains would allow me to develop the website for an extended period of time and then the client pays for their own domain on "go live"

    Martin
  7. Markus
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    @Martin

    You are somewhat right, however:

    I am not even sure if you could developpe a SBE with your SE liscence.
    I for example want to run two demo sites under a differen domain then my own (one SBE one SE)
    My site still runs in 3.5 and with a ISP that has only limited RAM in shared hosting.

    So yes, your scenario can work.

    Markus
  8. Martin
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    Hi Markus

    1) Different Versions (SBE,SE) - My thinking is that I develop client prototypes in the SE Version using sub-domains but only use features available for the SBE platform. Then when the client gives the go-ahead, register the SBE licence and simply use the Sitefinity database as is.

    2) Shared Hosting problems - I lease a dedicated server, which may seem like overkill, but it has paid dividends in that I have full control of issues like DNS, Memory. .NET Framework and Trust Levels.

    It has cost me time/money to get comfortable with managing  the Server/OS/etc. but it does give ME the freedom to decide what resources are required NOT the ISP.

    Martin
  9. James@Nw
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    Hi Guys,

    We started a project some months ago and needed to come back to it today, only to find that we need to enter a license key. I have read through all the posts here and it still seems overly complicated and bound to a problem for future projects.

    In the meantime, we have a license because we are Sitefinity partners and we are about to insert the key. What I would like to know for now, is how do I then move that license back to localhost because at the moment, I get this when I try add the license to my local development site.

    • Wrong product version (I need to check on this as I am sure that we chose professional)
    • Invalid Domain

    Cheers,
    James
  10. Godthaab
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    Hi James
    Remember that you must have a license file that corresponds to the version you are running. It's probably the problem. View your account, where all licensed versions are displayed.

    Peter
  11. Steve
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    @James
      Best thing to do is not use localhost...setup a local lite in IIS that's a subdomain of your site.

    So if you're developing for www.bigtimesite.com, then your IIS dev site is like local.bigtimesite.com.

    Then the valid license will just work, and inside of the SF4 backend when you go to version, there's an update license button which will detect the domain and go get the proper license from telerik.

    Cheers,
    Steve
  12. James@Nw
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    Hi Steve,

    After much trial and error, I was able to get the site working locally. I created a local.mysite.com subdomain, installed the license and then pulled the entire site back to my localhost which seems to have worked. In our situation, we are a team of people working on projects and need to use a Source Control application.

    Do you know if a best practices paper exists for teams working with Sitefinity 4.x in a source control environment maybe? We would love to be able to streamline our process where the installation and day to day working on files is simplified.

    Thanks,
    James
  13. Steve
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    @James
      I do not know if such a paper exists, perhaps someone else emailed on this thread might.

    However what we do here is everyone sets up their local IIS to the same subdomain (as you have) and really the web.config keeps the IIS settings consistent across all the instances. 

    Personally (for my company) I use DropBox :)

    Steve
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