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  1. Thomas
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    Does anyone have experience/recommendations with any ecommerce solutions that work well with Sitefinity?
  2. Josef Rogovsky
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    I'd be interested to know what other people have to say on this issue as well.

    Right now I've got my team getting up to speed on module development with a bunch of smaller scoped projects.

    Unless there is already something really good available, I intend to focus on developing a series of e-commerce modules in the near future.
  3. Sonya
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    Hello Thomas,
    Hello Josef,

    At the moment we have no information of any specific ecommerce solutions that work well with SiteFinity. We intend, however, to investigate that and evaluate third-party solutions so that we come up with some recommendations to you, our customers.  

    If anyone has suggestions, please share as your opinion is extremely important to us.


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  4. Thomas
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    I haven't worked with them, but I've heard AbleCommerce has a good product:  http://www.ablecommerce.com/

    Also,  http://www.aspdotnetstorefront.com/
  5. Josef Rogovsky
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    I was looking at the Sitefinity showcase gallery and I noticed that the Eden In Oz site uses a shopping cart.

    Does anyone one know who did the development? They might be able to provide some advice on this issue.
  6. bnye
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    I don't which one that uses, but I did notice a thread by Seth Cleaver that discusses what used to be called dashCommerce. 

    http://www.sitefinity.com/support/forums/support-forum-thread/b1043S-hegbm.aspx

    It's a free ecommerce solution that is built mostly our of usercontrols. It has a great many features, So while for full integration you would have to do quite a bit of work to get Nolics to handle the database interaction. You could probably edit the user controls enough to drop them in Sitefinity pages. You can find the codeplex download for this at:

    http://www.codeplex.com/dashCommerce/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=4831

    I hope that helps.

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  7. Josef Rogovsky
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    Hi Ben,

    Thanks for the pointer. I didn't know that they had changed the name of the Commerce Starter Kit.

    The last time I looked into it was a while ago and I can't remember what the issue was but there was an important feature that was missing so I didn't pursue it at the time.

    Have you used dashCommerce? If so, how do you find it.
  8. bnye
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    I meant to say "out of usercontrols". Anyway, no I have not used it yet. I did notice there was a pretty big bug with returning clients not being able to remove items from their shopping cart after creating an account. I can't seem to find the link, but that might be a deal breaker for you.
  9. bnye
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    I looked at ablecommerce for a bit, but it looks like it was built for asp.net 1.1:

    http://www.ablecommerce.com/Developer-and-Service-Provider-Benefits-W122C82.aspx

    I am not sure if there is a way to make it work, but that might make it more difficult. Also if you are looking to work with the ableCommerce API you would be out of luck as Sitefinity web site are built for VS 2005.

    Keep me posted on what you find.

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  10. UI Crew
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    Hi guys,

    I am actually using dashCommerce (previously Commerce Starter Kit) with sitefinity. It is in development for a client of mine but is almost complete.

    Feel free to have a look... it is in dev so please be kind and there are still a few bugs eg. checkout is not liking Sitefinity's membership provider (thanks to Telerik for helping me out over the last few days - you guys are great):

    http://dev.funkyfriendsfactory.com

    Now before you get excited I haven't integrated the admin with Sitefinity yet and if I did I probably won't move it to using Nolics (huge job) and will probably leave it as a intra-site module not pluggable.

    Why you ask - well dash is built using SubSonic for DAL

    I have done some experimenting with Nolics and understand why Sitefinity is using it especially with it's auto db upgrade etc however I personally love  SubSonic heaps better and I have found it much quicker to build with and I have to do heaps less coding. Maybe its just that I need to spend a little more time with Nolics but I'd rather create my db and get the DAL to work out all the relationships etc than write out the db configuration in a class and have it the other way around.... personal choice I guess.

    So the Funky Friends site has 2 admins (clunky I know but hopefully in time I will bring them together) /Sitefinity which is the CMS and /admin which is the commerce admin but it is single sign-on.

    I would love to get dash working as a module though and I have made a few significant changes so here they are:

    • (The bullets won't work Telerik?)

    • * Moved Dash's pages to user controls so I can use with Sitefinity.
    • * Dash is using Sitefinity's membership provider (but may have to move back to the standard asp.net provider cause I am having trouble with the MetaInfo table.
    • * Swapped out some of Atlas in preference for Rad.Ajax
    • * Removed Dash's url rewriter and replaced with Sitefinity (see the catalog and product pages.
    • * Added rad.tabstrip to product pages.
    • * Created new image manager for managing product images using rad.upload. New image manager automatically creates thumbnails for use in catalog and product pages (image gallery).
    • * Modified the admin pages to look better (still more to do)
    • * created a separate style sheet just for commerce stuff.

    The reason I chose dash is because I have been working with it for a while and it is open source so I can customise it how I want. Would love something off the shelf but couldn't find anything using user controls that I could just drop into Sitefinity pages.

    If anyone has any questions feel free to ask.

    If you would like a look at the admin interface, register yourself on the site and email me your username to seth at cleaver.id.au  and i shall give your user temporary admin access.

    The site needs to be deployed in the next week so once it is all going I will then go back and polish it as I have 4 other commerce sites waiting to go.

    Must say that using Sitefinity has made me grin on this project cause it is an awesome product and alot of things are so easy to use.

    Any comments, feedback, suggestions welcome.

    Cheers,

    Seth

  11. bnye
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    Seth -

    Awesome. Love the site. Thanks for the list of steps to get it moving with dashCommerce. I took a look a look at it and seems to be, at the very least, a great starting point.

    I especially like hearing about the areas that you felt needed improvement like the image thumbnails. Are there any more of these you can think of.

    It sounds like you took the administration pages from dashCommerce, converted them to user controls, and then added them to a Module. Is that correct?

    I just realized that Nolics can do what you are asking. You can point the nolics to an existing database and it will create the data layer. I believe I did this once when I was going through there developers guide. But I don't remember the result being perfect. At any rate, that might be a way to make a formal conversion to a true Sitefinity module. It would still require quite a bit of work though.

    I took another look Asp Dot Net Storefront today and it looks like you could create a working model with the source code. But you can't play with it until you purchase a copy for a client. If anyone has reviewed it I would love to hear about it. They have a DNN version of the product.

    http://www.aspdotnetstorefront.com/

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  12. bnye
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    If anyone is interested, here is the flash demo on how to create nolics classes from an existing database.

    http://www.nolics.com/demo1.aspx

    Sincerely,

    Ben

  13. UI Crew
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    Hi Ben,

    I converted the web pages in dashCommerce to usercontrols eg. catalog, product, basket, checkout

    The admin I have just prettied up and left as a separate admin... as I say I shall go and move it into Sitefinity later.

    I don't know about replacing subsonic with Nolics though as you would have to change a lot of code I would think.

    I guess the good thing about dash is that is free and that leaves more profit for the developer :-)

    I will have a look at the demo and the dev guide... it might be good after all. I just like all the things about SubSonic that make my life easier but maybe Nolics is just as good.

    Cheers,

    Seth

  14. WebGeek
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    I have been in the same boat as far as looking for an asp.net e-commerce suite which would allow you to have access to the source code, integrate your own master pages and not have to rely on a hosted solution like so many of .net e-commerce products.  Like SiteFinity, it seems to be a work in progress, but they have a good road map.  The only thing that I causes concern to me is their lack of an upgrade plan (written) and the fact that you only get 60 days of e-mail support.  These two things are very important, especially when you are working with a piece of software that is always under development.  The pricing is right.
  15. WebGeek
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    Sorry - the Name of the Product - Znode - www.znode.com
  16. bnye
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    medicalwebgeek-

    I haven't looked at znode. Does the control come with user controls or do you have to convert everything to usercontrols using the source code?

    Also, $1000 a license in order to have product attributes seems a little steep.

    I would love to narrow down are options over the next few days and come up with a workable solution.

    I am still leaning toward dashCommerce the way Seth has worked it. It seems to be the most bang for the buck.

    Seth -

    I was looking through the dashCommerce code to get an idea of how much work it would take to convert the code over to the Nolics classes generated. It certainly wouldn't be a picnic.

    One thing I did like about the znode is that you set can set product types and then each product of that type has the same attribute options. Do  you know if dash does this or if attributes are per product?

    On another note: what about a community effort to convert dashCommerce to a intrasite module?

    We each create all of the dbclass objects using the Nolics conversion. Then we assign one or two components to a developer and we hammer this out as the first truly community module for Sitefintiy 3.X. We can then begin to give new components like products RSS to the project. If we make a complete conversion we can implement the new 3.1 IIndexing which would allow us to add our products to the search indexing service.

    Let me know your thoughts on this everyone. I know we all have tons of free time </sarcasm>, but the reward might be there for the entire community. I would be willing to donate one of our developers to this cause.

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  17. WebGeek
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    I think it comes with the user controls.

    I agree that the price is a little steep to get the attributes.  The previous pricing model did not include the $249 version, but the $499 version was limited to 50 products (with no attributes).  I would rather see them offer 50 products w/ attributes for $499 and then that would give you a good idea as to whether or not you would need to upgrade on down the line rather than offering unlimited products for $499.

    I do not know anything about DashCommerce - so I can not give you an honest opinion.

  18. Vassil
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    Have you guys considered www.aspdotnetstorefront.com? They come with source and offer a pretty robust solution.
  19. UI Crew
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    Hi,

    I would be willing to help out with a combined effor. I would also be willing to share what I have done to get it on its way. As I said it still needs polsihing and some people may have more experience than me.

    If it is going to be a intra-site module then it is not compulsary to move the DAL to nolics (it is only compulsary for puggables) but obviously there may be some advanatages. I have built a recruitment intra-site module using subsonic with no issues thus far.

    Let me know.

    Thanks

    Seth
  20. bnye
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    Thanks Seth. And thanks for jump starting the project with your hard work. That makes two of us interested. OK is anyone else interested?

    I agree with you that making the switch to Nolics would have a high initial cost. There might be some benefits, but I'm not sure if they out weigh the costs. Also, I don't mind learning subsonic as well. I watched the subsonic creators video on Ruby and he seems like a pretty smart cat.

    Let's talk this week about the goals.

    Sincerely,

    Ben


  21. Carsten Vogelsang
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    Hi!

    I tested dashCommerce some days ago, It does not have any "european-tax" implementation, which makes it useless in countries like germany, where you have a product-based tax (7% for books, 19$ for software for example). It has some other limitations too... Of course this can be implemented, but it isn't yet.

    There are two other professional products, that might be considered:

    1. www.mediachase.com eCommerce framework with a web services/SOA infrastructure that should make it easy to integrate it into sitefinity... maybe the guys could be interested to cooperate with telerik.

    2. Microsoft with eCommerce Server 2007. They offer a free developer edition now. Of course very professional piece of software, maybe a bit oversized...

    I will give znode a try today. I would suggest that telerik talks to these companies, maybe one of the companies (beside microsoft ;-) ) might be interested to offer a "community version" to be used within sitefinity...

    Greetings

    Carsten Vogelsang
    Germany
  22. Sonya
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    Hi,

    The next Sitefinity release is scheduled for the end of September and we will be able to consider all suggestions and make inquiries after that.

    Thank you for the comments.

    Greetings,
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  23. Adam Griffith
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    Hello everyone,

    In reference to Josef's question on 10 August - we (Get Started - www.getstarted.com.au) built the Eden in Oz site on version 2.6 some time ago. Since then we've developed quite a few sites with cart/ecommerce functionality on version 2.71. These progressive developments have left us with quite a functional cart and ecommerce module that we creatively called Cartfinity. We are in the process of refining this and transferring it to version 3.0. This is proving to be a tad more time intensive than we initially thought but we should be done in the next few weeks. We have a couple of sites launching in the next month that will take advantage of the 3.0 version of Cartfinity. Here's a list of sites we've built on the 2.71 version, with varying degrees of cart functionality (from most functional to least functional). Note - quite a few of these have just been launched (the first two are in soft-launch) so don't be surprised if you come across any bugs (and let us know when you do!):


    Once we're happy that the module is bug-free in version 3.0 we will look at releasing it to the wider Sitefinity community. I'm open to how we actually go about doing that. It is likely that we will follow a similar model to other cart solutions on the market. However, I am very keen to involve this little community that is building here to further improve the module.

    Let me know if you have any thoughts or feedback.

    Cheers,

    Adam


  24. Josef Rogovsky
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    Hi Adam,

    I agree that deciding how to commercialize a module is tough.

    I haven't made any final decisions with respect to the modules that my team is developing but I think we'll be following Telerik's lead and giving away free licenses for use in Community Edition projects and charging something nominal for use with Standard Edition.

    Thanks for the list of sites that are using "Cartfinity" (great name, btw). I will check them out.
  25. Sean
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    Hi Everyone,

    Just got back from holiday, anyone miss me?  Didn't think so ;)  Sorry Telerik didn't send you a postcard as I didn't have my new pen yet thanks for that!

    Seth great work with the dashCommerce, that site you are putting together is really looking good.  It would be good at some stage to convert it to a pluggable module, it would be more work initially but once it is up and running but I think the advantages will make it worth it, especially if Nolics is used for the data layer as it makes upgrading websites as simple as uploading the dlls and it upgrades the database too, I guess this is open for debate. Maybe if we set up a CodePlex project and all the developers willing to contribute can chip in?

    I am personally holding out to see what CartFinity looks like first, I think it is mainly because I like the name but also because I am a developer, and to be honest us developers are only to happy to reduce the amount of work we can do so if someone has something better and affordable then why reinvent the wheel...

    Anyway that is my 2 cents, if an open source community project went ahead count me in, for the little time I have when I am not reading Sitefinity forum posts :)

    S
  26. UI Crew
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    Hi all,

    Open source Sitefinity ecommerce module - is anyone else interested?

    My issue would be that I haven't got my head fully around pluggable modules yet.

    I would think at a minimum you would provide the functionality in dashCommerce. I have spent around 80 hours making it work with Sitefinity.

    Would it be best to get something like dashCommerce and "nolics"ise it?

    Thanks

    Seth


  27. Sean
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    Hi All,

    Ok well I just went a head and set up a CodePlex project, anyone who is interested in signing up for this project please sign up at CodePlex and then send me your username, either to info@zimweb.com.au or add me to your skype: s_molam

    We can then use the tools within Codeplex to discuss the issues, e.g to Nolics or not to Nolics.

    Seth not sure if you want to use what you currently have as a base for this project?

    Cheers
    Sean
  28. Sean
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    Hi everyone,

    So the project has been created, and already we have moved from CodePlex(I am deleting it now) to Google Code, this decision was made on a recommendation.  We have called the module CommerceFinity, hope you like it.  It isn't so much a SF module yet, but hopefully we will get it there at some stage.... so anyone wishing to help chip in some time my details are already above, or drop us a line at our public groups to request a feature or ask a question.

    Any Telerik Developers who have spare a moment are of course very welcome ;)

    Thanks
    Sean


  29. Jason
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    I am currently implementing a solution that uses SubSonic for the dal, and i'm integrating (potentially, still unsure) dotnetcommerce as my cart solution.

    Their products are completely API based, and are all server controls, so they have no web/interface out of the box.

    If anyone wants to know my progress, i'll keep you posted how the integration goes, and i'll most likely be in hardcore development mode until Jan or Feb 2008, and then some!

    But, check out dotnetcommerce products, and see if they suit your needs as well.
  30. Meister
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    Jason

    What was the outcome on this
    Any one else got any eccomerce integration suggestion
    We currently have aspdotnet store front, and would ideally like to use this
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