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Migration away from Nolics.net?

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  1. Adam
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    I'm developing my first custom module now.  The developer guide recommends using Nolics.net for data access, but this thread (http://www.sitefinity.com/support/forums/support-forum-thread/b1043S-mkdta.aspx) mentions a move away from Nolics.  Will Sitefinity move away from Nolics anytime soon?

    Adam
  2. Georgi
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    Hi Adam,

    We are going to change Nolics but it will not be very soon. We will keep the backward compatibility so any modules written with Nolics DAL will be still working, so you should have no concerns about the functionality.

    Let us know if you have any other questions.

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  3. TIOS
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    Since SP1 for Visual Studio 2008 you now have the ADO.NET Entity Framework, this seems an ideal way to develop your data layer.  Im currently in the process of writing some modules in this way.

    Would be great if telerik took this method as default moving forward as it does seem the way forward!
  4. Ivan
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    Hi Chris Bond,

    in Sitefinity 4.0 we will move to the new DAL. Until then, unfortunately, we cannot comment on the new implementations. I can tell you that the new DAL will be very modern and up with the times.

    Best wishes,
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  5. Gabe Sumner
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    Telerik Enters the ORM Space
    http://blogs.telerik.com/KevinBabcock/Posts/08-10-10/Telerik_Enters_the_ORM_Space.aspx

    This will eventually become part of Sitefinity and replace Nolics.  It will take some time however.  This is very positive news, but it will also probably raise some questions.  Sadly I'm typing this from an airport and limited in time.

    I did want to give the SF community a heads up though.

    Gabe Sumner

  6. briankb
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    I think this is great news. You'll have ownership of an essential part of your product.

    Can I assume that Sitefinity with the new ORM backend will support more databases? I would like to see VistaDB supported. It's a good Access replacement but uses the standard SQL Server syntax.
  7. Ivan
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    Hi Briankb,

    OpenAccess does support multiple databases. You can find more information about it here:
    http://www.vanatec.com/en/product-information/database_flexibility

    As for VistaDB, there are no current plans as far as I am aware of. Anyhow, you'll be able to contact them directly very soon through our support system.

    I hope you'll find this information helpful. Let us know if there is anything else we can do for you.

    Sincerely yours,
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  8. briankb
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    Ivan,

    Since your official release or the OR/M the link you provided for database support is just redirecting to the main page.

    I looked around and even in the docs but I've must have missed the part that discusses which database engines your OR/M support.

    Can you post a link to the database support?

    Also does or will your OR/M support VistaDB?
  9. Georgi
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    Hi Brian,

    Here is the list with the supported databases - http://www.telerik.com/products/orm/resources/supported-databases.aspx.

    Best wishes,
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  10. Gabe Sumner
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    I just concluded a 4-part introduction to Telerik's OpenAccess ORM:

    Introducing OpenAccess
    Getting Started with OpenAccess
    Creating a Persistent Object with OpenAccess
    Using OpenAccess Persistent Objects in Sitefinity

    I also noticed Joseph posted an OpenAccess article as well:

    Forward Mapping OpenAccess and Sitefinity

    We are still several months away from 4.0 and the replacement of Nolics.  However, I wanted to publish some information for anyone who is curious to test OpenAccess within Sitefinity.

    Much more information will be coming in the next few months.  Hopefully these articles will serve as a helpful introduction to the Sitefinity & OpenAccess combination.

    Feedback is always welcome!

    Gabe Sumner
    http://www.sitefinitywatch.com/

  11. Martin
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    I'm a professional .net developer and I normally develop with Community Server or Sharepoint.

    I regularly hear people talking about Telerik products on podcasts, but I'm not interested after having a taste of Sitefinity about 18 months ago. A client asked me to create an ecommerce site with sitefinity. I found trying to work with Nolics a nightmare and ended up giving the work away because it just wasn't worth the effort. I haven't touched Teleric products since.

    I've just returned to once again review the control suite and I'm interested to see that Nolics will in the next release be replaced. Maybe it's worth revisiting Sitefinity when that's released. Any idea of the timeline for this?
  12. Georgi
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    Hi Martin,

    I am very sorry to hear about your experience with Nolics and Sitefinity.

    I am wondering why you gave up though, after trying with Nolics. You can use any ORM or built a custom DAL for your custom modules. It is not necessary to work with Nolics but we give the option to use it, if you want. You can even make direct database calls via queries.

    Getting back to the question - we will replace Nolics with OpenAccess in version 4.0. We expect this to happen in the late April or in the begging of May. Once again, you can use OpenAccess with Sitefinity even now for your modules.

    I would say that Sitefinity 4.0 will be very different from the 3.x versions. We made some major implementations and improvements over the past 18 months also.

    Don't hesitate to contact us if you have other questions.

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  13. Martin
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    Hi Georgi,

    To be honest I can't remember the problems I had at the time. I think I found it just really buggy and lacking in useful documentation.

    At the moment I'm weighing up offering Sitefinity or Graffiti as a simple CMS solution for my customers. I'm interested in using the Telerik tools in my solutions as well, but I'm currently trying to decide if it's going to be worth me spending the £1000+ on the license cost for the toolset. One advantage of Sitefinity would be that projects I develop using it would already be licensed for the toolset (I believe).

    Anyway, I'll probably try and review Sitefinity again over the next few weeks.

    Martin

  14. Georgi
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    Hi Martin,

    That's right - you have a license to build your Sitefinity projects with the RadControls for ASP.NET AJAX. You may also build your projects with the free Community version of the CMS, which will still allow you to use the RadControls toolset.
    Starting from Sitefinity 3.6, we will deliver the RadControls for Silverlight Q3 2008 SP1 so you can benefit with these controls also.

    We are ready to assist you with any problem you would meet during the evaluation. Just let us know if we could help.

    Kind regards,
    Georgi
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