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why sitefinity is not taking off

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  1. sam
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    10 Mar 2009
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    Hi,

    First off I really like alot of aspects about SF, the support, that if you know .net you can pretty much land running, but when it comes to hooking into the dashboard and creating intrasite or pluggable modules it becomes a complete nightmare. It maybe because I am not smart enough or something. Everyone that seems to know what you smart design pattern guru's are going on about only do because of reflector and hacking their way around.

    I have read the blog entries of the new archecture of  3.6 and agree with why it is being done, but I dont really understand it until I see a variety of simple examples.

    The beauty of adding your own user control to any page is awesome, because all you need to know is .net. I recommend this product to alot of people and I do believe it is getting better and better, but at the end of the day of it is not going to be simple to use and the docs and samples are easy to follow not too many people are going to use it.

    All i NEED IS SOME SIMPLE EXAMPLES WITH SOME VERY BASIC INSTRUCTIONS..

    Just my thoughts.. not too mean I hope because I really do appreciate the support, but it gets a little frustrating sometimes..
  2. EuclidLibrary
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    10 Mar 2009
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    I can not agree more with Sam's statements.  The pluggable module sample provided on the blogs in the '3.6 Documention' (I use the term 3.6 Documention very loosely) is like getting hit square in the face with the information bazooka.

    All we are asking for is a simple sample (preferably an intrasite module) and that you stop ninja changing the API (newsarchive has once again changed!!).  I would wager to bet most of us are not interested in reusable modules with all the bells and whistles.  We want to be able to hook into the admin console and bring a piece of functionality up for our users in a reasonable amount of time.
  3. Kevin Pipher
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    11 Mar 2009
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    I would agree with the above posts. Love Sitefinity and what it's capable of - I've been using it since v2.0, however developing with it has always been somewhat of a self-discovery model and can be frustrating. You have to dig through using intellisense, reflector and other tools to really understand what is going on because the manual is often out of date or imcomplete. This doesn't say a lot for the documentation available when many people resort to digging through the assemblies.

    The fast release cycle of new versions is a double-edged sword. New features fly out the door all the time which is great, however two things suffer - documentation and stability.  To introduce new features to developers, the documentation must keep pace with the code. Ideally, the documentation would actually precede the changes, so we have a chance to understand what is coming. It cannot be an afterthought. Following this model would promote documentation upkeep since a release would not come until properly documented.

    As for the comment on API changes, I would agree with this too. With each new version, I never know what is and isn't changing in the API. More documentation is needed on what has changed. A one page general overview is not enough. For example, the most current developer doc has this explanation:
    http://www.sitefinity.com/help/developer-manual/whats-new.html

    This is far too general, not to mention references v3.2 which is extremely out of date in terms of documentation.

    Below is the type of thing most of us would hope for with each release. It explains exact differences between two Telerik products and versions. The same should be supplied for sitefinity releases where significant API changes occur:
    http://www.telerik.com/help/aspnet-ajax/menu_overviewmigrating.html

    Like the previous posters, I think Sitefinity is a great product, but agree these issues are holding it back greatly. If the product tagline "Web Development Simplified" is the goal, then please increase resources assigned to documentation.
  4. Daniel Plomp
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    12 Mar 2009
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    Yup, I agree also. Personally I still have discussions with the 'Open Source' people that are using Joomla, TYPO3, Wordpress etc.

    I think that Sitefinity has one disadvantage compared to the above products and that is it's on the .NET Framework and that framework is developed by Microsoft :) Of course we know all the advantages of that, but it's hard to convince non-microsoft developers of all the good things of Microsoft development environments.

    If Sitefinity would be more transparant, especially for developers, then that would be a big advantage. So, more examples (since we do not have a big community, yet), more accurate documentation (I know, not the nicest job to maintain documentation).

    If I can convince php/mysql/typo3/joomla developers and make them enthousiastic for this product, then I would be very happy :)

    FYI: end-users are most of the times very happy with the user interface compared to other CMS systems, so let's have the same goal for developers!

    Daniel
  5. Joe
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    12 Mar 2009
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    Hi All,

    Thank you for your feedback about our documentation. I am sorry to hear that you find our current examples and instructions difficult to follow and outdated. I apologize for any inconvenience or frustration that this may have caused.

    We understand that our documentation needs to be updated with every release and we shall have a new version of our User Manual, Installation Guide and Developer Manual within the next 2-4 weeks. We are in process of adding several new articles to the Developer Manual, updating examples and removing outdated documentation. Our Installation Guide has been almost completely reworked and it will give users installation instructions based on each operating system. Our User Manual has also been scoped for business users and we plan on making separate guides for designers and for developers wanting to make customizations to Sitefinity's pre-built modules, such as Images and Documents.

    We are always willing to listen to our clients' feedback and we shall consider your suggestions. If you find any of our documentation to be unclear, please let us know so we can continue to improve our guides.

    Thank you for your understanding and we look forward to your continued feedback.

    Best wishes,
    Joe
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