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  1. skysailor
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    Hi,
    I can't believe there is still no proper dynamic links in Sitefinity. You should be able to rearrange a web site structure without worrying about breaking links (links to images or other pages etc). As far as I'm concerned this is about as basic a requirement as you can get to call yourself a CMS. To be able to start entering site content straight away and worry about site structure later. You can't do this with Sitefinity. This is a very severe limitation of the system and I see no mention of it in your 3.5 release or the roadmap for 4.0.

    I chose your product thinking it would allow us to create a web site easily with no programming but allow us the flexibility to customise things with code later if required. I was disappointed to discover afterwards that the product is targeted primarily at making web site developers more productive and isn't really targeted at web site designers or content editors.

    Clayton.
  2. Ivan Dimitrov
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    Hello skysailor,

    Thank you for contacting us.

    There is a user control DynamicHyperLink in the Sitefinity's Toolbox, Navigation section that can be used for the described purposes. Please find the attached screenshot.

    Hope this helps.

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  3. skysailor
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    Hi Ivan,
    I know about that control. That control is only useful for placing a link on it's own on the page - which is next to useless. Almost all links are within text blocks or formatted into the page layout somehow. That control is not at all useful in most cases. My point stands - your product cannot be called a CMS, in my opinion, without proper dynamic links. If you can't rearrange your site without breaking it then it is not a CMS - it is just a site building tool. And you should make that very clear in your advertising.
    Clayton.
  4. SelAromDotNet
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    i have to take issue here as sitefinity is certainly a content management system that does what it advertises. no system can handle all needs of every possible user in every possible scenario, especially not those who possibly may not be following best practices. for example If I attempt to do something that is unsupported by a system, it would be the result of my design choice that the system doesn't fit my needs...

    I don't see that as a limitation of the system itself, but rather a design choice. sitefinity is a very flexible system. I would suggest reconsidering your approach of entering content instead of dismissing the system entirely.

    however if you wish to use this approach, an additional suggestion would be to use alternate urls to intercept new urls if they change... but personally, I think it's the specific implementation that is being used here that may be what is inflexible...

    just my 2 cents, i'm not affiliated with telerik or sitefinity in any way other than I use their product and love it.
  5. skysailor
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    SelArom,
    Thankyou for your reply.
    With the way things work now you need to know your exact page hierarchy before you start entering content into any page. As soon as you place a link in any Generic Content control then you cannot move a page without breaking the link. I don't think that is acceptable - and I had no idea that would be the case when we purchased the product.
    We have been using the product for some time now and mostly it has met our needs but there are a few limitations, like this, that we only found out about the hard way.
    Clayton.
  6. SelAromDotNet
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    i can understand your position completely. I hit a few snags here and there after purchasing... fortunately none of them were deal breakers, and better yet, the sitefinity team has been VERY helpful in coming up with workarounds... I'm not sure how they might approach your situation, but I do know that dynamic links is something that they are working on (if i recall correctly from other posts I've read asking about this)...

    i hope you are able to find a way to resolve your issue. if you've purchased then you have support, so submit a ticket and explain your needs more specifically and perhaps you can find a way to at least accomodate your needs temporarily until a more global update is in place...

    best of luck!
  7. skysailor
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    We have posted forum/ticket requests in the past. And there is no acceptable work around. Sitefinity say they are working on it but I see no mention of it in the 3.5 or 4.0 updates. So I'm wondering if this is receiving any attention - which is why I posted this message.

    To us this is a deal breaker. I was wanting to know if other users felt the same way. I was also wanting a response from Telerik to let us know if it is being worked on and whether they consider it to be a serious limitation of their product.
  8. Bob
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    Hi guys,

    In version 3.5 we added support for dynamic links in a sense. Now links starting with “~/” are resolved on the server. This will solve the problem with moving applications between servers or virtual folders and links to multilingual pages. However, renaming or moving a page will still break all links to it as the reference is stored as path to the resource. The same applies to images and documents.

    The next step is to provide the choice to store the link as ID instead. This is a bit more challenging as the IDs could reference objects of different types such as pages, content, images, documents and etc. Furthermore object of the same type can come from different data sources, including different databases.
     
    The good news is that we are almost ready with this functionality but unfortunately if couldn’t make it to v3.5. This feature will certainly be available in the next update, most likely prior to v4.0.

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  9. skysailor
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    Hi Bob,
    It's great to hear that it is still on the radar. I certainly hope it is available before v4.0. Will there be any limitations in how that is implemented? It will suport links to pages and images etc?
    Unfortunately we have gone through all the pain of redoing our links a number of times as the site has evolved. And I assume we will have to do it again to get dyanamic links setup. But at least it will be there for any future work we do or for new customers.
    Clayton.
  10. Bob
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    Hi skysailor,

    Sorry but I don’t understand your first question. I’m not sure what implantation you are talking about.

    About your second question, yes it will support links to pages, images, documents and etc.

    Unfortunately, you will have to go through all links and update them in order to become dynamic. Hopefully it will be the last time to update links manually.

    All the best,
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  11. skysailor
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    Hi,
    is there any update on when the support for dynamic links using IDs within generic content will be available? You said before v4.0 some time...

    We are currently in the process of manually updating all our links on hundreds of pages after rearranging the site structure. Very painful. And quite annoying that we have to do this. This is a feature that was available in web site designers decades ago. Even frontpage can do it. Sorry to rant again but this is VERY important to us and I think most of your clients.

    Clayton.
  12. Georgi
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    Hi skysailor,

    We understand that this important for you. We want to assure you that it is important for us also.
    We will try to implement this functionality for the upcoming release - Sitefinity 3.6, which is scheduled for the mid of December.

    Sitefinity 4.0 should come after Q1 2009.

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  13. Jay
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    Hi,

    Do you have any automated scripts for converting static links into dynamic ones?

    Thanks,

    Jay
  14. skysailor
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    Hi,
    An automated script should be possible. It could check every link and see if it is to one of the internal pages and convert it to dynamic. In out site we have hundreds of pages each with dozens of links. We are not going to update all these links manually. If Telerik could automatically create a script that would be most welcome. Otherwise this new feature will be of limited use to us. We'll only be able to use it for new content.
    Clayton
  15. Jason M
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    Hey Huys,

    Not sure if you've seen this in the Developers Blog:
    http://blogs.sitefinity.com/GeorgiChokov/Posts/08-12-15/ReplaceTool_-_Globally_replace_everything_in_your_project_with_zero_efforts.aspx

    Pretty handy, but make sure to backup you db first!
    J
  16. skysailor
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    Hi Jason,
    Unfortunately that tool is not much use. Every link is different. And you do not know the GUID to replace them with. You would have to do each page one at a time and find out it's GUID then do the replace - that would take forever. There has to be an easier way.
    Clayton
  17. Georgi
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    Hello,

    Such tool sounds very interesting. We should have a way to convert static links to dynamic. I will follow up to this thread tomorrow.

    Sincerely yours,
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  18. Georgi
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    Hello Clayton,

    I will try to extend the tool to have the option to convert static links into dynamic. Most probably I will do it by the end of the next week. Please follow our blogs, since I will post it there.

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  19. skysailor
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    Awesome! That is great news.
  20. Georgi
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    Hello,

    I just follow up to keep you posted. I have started the extending of the ReplaceTool, it will be soon updated in my blog.

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  21. skysailor
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    Hi,
    Any news on updating that tool to convert all links to dynamic?
    Clayton
  22. Jay
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    Hi,

    Just following up on this has the tool been extended to convert static links to dynamic?

    Thanks,

    Jay
  23. jas4on
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    I have to concur with skysailor on the importance of maintaining links when page locations and names change.  It's crucial for a long-lived site.  I just spent an hour+ digging thru one section of a site I inherited trying to identify all the internal links.  One site down....5 more to go ;(

    That being said, was dynamic links using IDs within generic content implemented in v3.6?  (sorry, we're still on v3.5)  If not will it be ready for v4?

    Thanks,

    -Jason
  24. Ivan Dimitrov
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    Hello jas4on,

    Dynamic links has been implemented from version 3.6. All version before 3.6 do not support dynamic links.

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  25. skysailor
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    Hi,

    But what about the tool to help us convert the hundreds of static links we already have? There hasn't been amy news on this for months.Have you decided not to do it?

    Clayton
  26. Ivan Dimitrov
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    Hi skysailor,

    We will consider possible implementation of a tool that could convert the links. Currently you need to upgrade the project and update the static links.

    Kind regards,
    Ivan Dimitrov
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  27. skysailor
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    Hi,
    Such a tool was already promised earlier in this thread by Georgi. Was that approach abandoned?
    Clayton
  28. Georgi
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    Hello,

    It is true that we promised to update the tool, but I am not sure when we will be able to do it.  We hardly working on the 4.0 release and fixes for the current build.
    I will try to put this on the table again. 

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  29. jas4on
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    Thanks for the info....looks like it's time to upgrade to 3.6.  That conversion tool would be more than helpful as we've got 6 sites currently built on pre-3.6 and couple new ones coming on line yet this year.

    -Jason
  30. skysailor
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    Still no static link to dynamic link conversion tool. Hmmmm.
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