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  1. Jim
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    This is better than beta1. Excellent work.

    We need to use it ASAP. What is the Official Version Release Date? I see it will be end of November in the roadmap, is it still true?

    Thanks,
    Jim
  2. Bogdana Ivanova
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    Hello Jim,

    Thanks for the nice words. I am very glad to hear that you are enjoying the new features and improvements that we made for the second beta.

    We should complete the following till the official release:

    New features:

    • Project manager;
    • Multilingual support;
    • Content workflow;
    • Content versioning;
    • Content permissions;
    • Page Template Manager;
    • Customization for workflows;
    • Predefined web sites templates;
    • Visual Studio template for Sitefinity projects;
    • Custom Control editors

    Improvements:

    • Browse in edit mode;
    • Improve design time support;
    • Multiple page operations;
    • Control editors – present the most important properties in usable mode;
    • Improve cross browser support;
    • Support for partially trusted environment;
    • User management;
    • Security persistence for modules;
    • User profiles;
    • Usability improvements;
    • GUI improvements.
    We are planning to release the RC (Release Candidate) till the middle of December that will include all features listed above. Then we will need a week or two to clear all found problems before the official release.

    All the best,
    Bogdana Ivanova
    the telerik team
  3. Ben Alexandra
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    Hi,

    I think the new interface is VERY slick and I really like the direction you are taking version 3.  I can't wait for the final release; it's going to be SUCH a great tool for my clients and for me!!!

    I, like many people who are breathlessly awaiting the final release, am anxious to get the final release and am pushing off various projects until the new version is released (doesn't seem to make sense to release them in 2.7 at this point).  Because I am promising clients release dates, I really hope you can release the features and a full version by Jan 1.  It seems like the improvements during the month between Beta 1 & Beta 2 was less than you have planned for the upcoming month, which makes me nervous about you being able to get so many new features implemented in the next 30 days, or so.

    Do you think the timeline is realistic, or am I holding my breath for something that is not likely to occur?

    Also, at what point will you provide upgrade paths?  What I mean is, if you have a good chunk of the features in a month, can I start building up my sites and the upgrade them to the full version once it is released?

    Thanks again for all your hard work.  It istlooking really good and the final version is going to be amazing!  I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.

    Ben
  4. Sean
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    Hi,

    So realistically it will be the end of the year that you expect to have the full version ready.

    I think a lot of people probably can't hold off not doing any sites in the old version till then, which is fine with me as I would rather have a version that is late and fully working than only half done.  But can you tell us how easily you think it will be to upgrade from version 2.7 to version 3.0, and what pitfalls we need to watch for when still building sites in the old version that will affect how the upgrade goes.

    It would be good to know this information before putting together websites for clients only to find to upgrade to the new website will be fairly time consuming, because of incompatibilities etc, and therefore costly to the client, and if we tell the clients about this before they are more likely to wait for the new version leaving us developers with no work till you guys are done..... so it is kind of between a rock and a hard place type situation.

    I understand that you do have to make sure you have a fully working product, and I am not asking you to go any faster as I am sure that you working as hard as you can, I just thought I would let you know the issue of us lone developers... and really would just like some reasurances on how upgrading will go.

    Otherwise keep up the good work!

    Thanks
    Sean
  5. Bob
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    Hi all,


    I’d like to start with a few words on the differences between 3.0 and previous versions.


    You can think of v3.0 as a brand new product as we started from zero. I will point some of the reasons for this decision. As you know, requirements for web sites have changed quite a bit in the last few years and they will continue to changing. That’s why we need to offer more extensible and more scalable architecture. The changes we had to make ware so vast that we decided to start from the very beginning and with all the experience we gathered to move on the next level.


    Even though the backend schemas are completely different and the data access is relying on very different technologies, it is fairly easy and straightforward to translate data from old versions, maybe with some missing parts of course.


    The real problem lays in the layouts of the old pages. In the previous versions we used the RadDesigner to store and generate HTML output.


    The RadDesigner generates deeply nested tables which lead to several problems:

    1. It is difficult, sometimes even impossible to create WAI compliant sites.

    2. It is difficult and tricky to achieve certain layouts.

    3. The layout can’t be controlled through CSS.

    4. Worse performance on the client side (particularly with IE6)

    5. Huge view state.


    These are some of the reasons why we decided to drop out RadDesigner and leave the layout creation outside Sitefinity’s GUI. Instead, we will provide a rich set of predefined master page templates and CSSes that can be easily modified to suit your needs.


    So the big question is how do we translate nested cells into content placeholders and make the page look the same? My guess is we'll need some sort of artificial intelligence here. I’m kidding but I really doubt we can be 100% accurate in all cases and such converter will require quite an effort.


    My suggestion is, if you really need to start developing now, start with the beta version. We will try to make upgrades as seamless as possible. In fact, we already have some clients developing real-life sites with the beta version.

    All the best,
    Bob
    the telerik team
  6. Sean
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    Hi Bob,

    Thank you very much for your informative response.  I completely understand why you made the decision and I support the decision 100%, the new version is everything it should be and more.

    I also understand just how difficult and time consuming it would be to make a converter that works properly, I just wanted to know my options really, and you have come up with a brilliant suggestion.

    I much prefer your suggestion of developing with the beta and upgrading the beta product through each release... frankly after using version 3.0 I don't even want to look at 2.7......it is just that much better.  So just long as Telerik will be happy to help out with upgrading between the beta versions then that would be excellent.  How easy do you think it will be with upgrading the database at each change without losing too much data?

    Kind Regards
    Sean
  7. Bob
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    Hello Sean,

    Upgrading between versions should be as simple as just replacing all files in the Admin and bin folders in your project. Sometimes it may be necessary to make changes in the Web.config file, too. You should not worry about the database at all. Upgrades to the database are made absolutely automatically.

    What actually happens is every time a data provider is called for the first time in the application's lifetime, it will compare the database definitions it carries with the database schema it is connected to and will perform any upgrades if necessary. There is no way you could lose data as data is not affected by upgrades.

    Though regular backups are good practice!

    You can test this by deleting a stored procedure in the database. Restart the application and the stored procedure will be recreated.


    Kind regards,
    Bob
    the telerik team
  8. Sean
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    Hi Bob,

    That is excellent to hear then. It was only the database I was really worried about as the is possibly the only important thing to keep between versions.  I didn't expect this though, I don't think I can express how much better the upgrading of databases is going to make my development experience.  I usually would have to upgrade a database locally and then upsize it to a live database which is time consuming and also so many other things can go wrong.  But this way I just have to worry about uploading the correct files... I assume that this is because of the new Nolics Provider?  I have looked into it a little and it certainly seems very interesting, I think I will have to look at it further for developing some custom modules...

    Once again I bow down to the superiority of Telerik, I can't say it enough but the new version is ground breaking....a work of genius.
  9. UI Crew
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    Hi,

    I have got to so that after reading this post and then having a bit of fiddle I was blown away by how easy it was to start up a new site... I just coppied all the files to a new directory, added a new database, modified the webconfig to point to the new database... kicked up the web site in IE and wow the database was created automatically. Unbeliveable!

    No running scripts, no install program ... how easy is this going to be to deploy live!

    I think you're creating problems for yourselfs at this stage though... we all don't want to wait to use it!!

    Thanks

    Seth Cleaver


  10. Ben Alexandra
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    Hi,

    The Beta 2 is great, but I'm wondering when the RC1 will be released (do you have a more specific date than mid-December, at this point?  Also, when are you thinking of for the final release (realistically)? 

    Just wondering, so I can plan

    Thanks, and great work!  Really looking forward to the full version

    Ben
  11. Rebecca
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    Hi Ben,

    We are releasing beta 3 just before Christmas. The date for RC1 has been pushed for mid January and we expect to be ready with the official release by the end of January.

    Kind regards,
    Rebecca
    the telerik team
  12. Paul Berger
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    I dont mean to be rude. But I think everyone include myself are starting to get really affected by your release dates.

    We have projects to complete. You tell us November we tell clients November now I have to tell my clients it wont be until end of Jan.

    In future can we please have more Realistic pessimistic release dates...... You are always too optimistic...

    Apart from that you product is great. You just need to get it released.
  13. Ben Alexandra
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    Hi Rebecca,

    I'm sorry to hear that, though I'm not surprised, based on past release dates (vs. promised dates) and based on what you were planning to release in RC1 (sounded like a lot of features that weren't anywhere to be seen in Beta 2).

    I agree with Paul, that it's better to be upfront and realistic than it is to be "nice" and promise a release that you can't deliver on.  You should follow the Dell model: "Under promise, over deliver!"  They always tell you the ship date will be 3 weeks out or whatever and then they ship in 2 days and everyone's thrilled.  If something goes wrong, they still have plenty of time to deliver.

    So Beta 3 sounds new... which of the features from the planned RC1 features will be available?  Will it have a Project Manager, Multi-Lingual Support and the Page Template Manager?  Those are probably the things I need most immediately (actually the Multi-Lingual support is probably the most important, as the other can sort of be done manually via VS 2005, right?)

    Well, thanks, and I look forward to seeing Beta 3

    Ben
  14. bnye
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    I love the way the nolics product allow us to create modules without writing database code. I have been trying to get a feel for how it does this looking at the nolics manual, but it still seems a little shaky. Will you be releasing additional documentation and the Job module with the Christmas Beta 3? A basic example, well commented, would go along way.

    Sincerely,

    Ben
  15. Bob
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    Hi all,

    First of all, I’d like to personally apologize for being too optimistic and misleading you guys. I know Sitefinity has a very bad record of release dates and I promise you we'll take all necessary means to change this in the next year.

    I hope you understand that it was very difficult for us to estimate the time as we took up an approach completely new to us and we had no idea what problems we might encounter. The good news is that the most difficult part is already behind us. The system is already quite stable and we are able to measure some very good performance results.

    The Christmas release will include the following futures:

    • Project manager (maybe incomplete)
    • Page Template manager
    • Content manger
    • Output caching
    • Breadcrumb control
    • Bug fixes
    • Layout fixes
    • Example module and documentation (not complete)

    Unfortunately, multilingual support will not make it for this release.

    Sorry again and thank you all very much for your great support and patience.

    Bob

    Regards,
    Bob
    the telerik team
  16. Paul Berger
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    Hi Guys

    I understand the size of the project.

    In this christmas release would it be possible to get a release that can be used on a number of testing domains? Single developers and above should have this available. I need to test on my different hosting providers.
  17. Bob
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    Hi Paul,

    Beta 3 version will not work in partially trusted environment which is the case in most shared hosting servers. This is something we still have to work on.

    Regarding the licensing model you just have to send us your domain names and IPs and we will generate keys for you.

    Please let us know if you have any other inquiries.

    Best Regards,
    Annie
    the telerik team
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